LOL Sam, I kinda went with your 'trial and error' idea, after I read up on layers & the tools (didnt realise how important layers were - lucky you pointed that out to me Steen! [img]wink.gif[/img] ) And I think I have kinda finally worked out the basics - enough to make an ok looking sig anyway, so I am a happy bunny. I tried to read all the help topics but gah! It drove me insane... trial and error rocks!! LOL